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A high risk investment always has the risk of financial loss that we all can accept. (Fraud is not as easy to accept). Personally I do believe that what ever has happened was out of there control. That being the case I spare a thought for The team at Blue Trading who have always been over the top in being helpful. I hope they all work this out together. For Blue Trading staff its a real bad day in the office.

Real investor from the U.K. here. Have been using Blue since April 2018. Never been thrilled with the seemingly arbitrary withdrawal limits placed on my account. However I can see how anti-money laundering regulations could play a part in those limitations.

For all those crying “scam” I think you need to accept reality. This was always a risky investment. The returns have been insane. I have personally netted 7 figures using Blue and can verify this. However, every trading system risks losing all your capital. That’s what I believe happened here. Whether it’s connected to the alert from Sunday 17th I cannot say. It’s my firm belief though that the trading system blew up and they have in fact lost all our money.

As others have said we will know what happens in the next few days. Will they shut down because they’re bust? Don’t know. Did they have insurance to protect investor funds? God I hope so. This is the nature of the beast though. The risk disclaimer in the footer of Blue’s website is warning about risk for a reason. Risk of loss is not the same thing as a scam.

Guys, did you really believe the returns would last? No way on gods green earth would this be realistic or sustainable! If you sunk money into this, you deserve to lose the lot. You ignored all the warning signs.

Does anyone think they could have been hacked?
what abou the deposits that had been made, but didn't reach the trading account, anyone knows what can be done?

The poncy scheme is broken last night. All invested money is gone, I'm just lucky I made withdrawals for about 90 % of my funds in the meantime, so loss about 3K is nothing to bring me down.

Just learned again:
Anything what seems to be to good to be true, IS NOT TRUE!

Now we have it in writing! It is complete fraud !!
Now all the injured should team up and put on a fund to hunt down the backers. The bounty just has to be high enough !! If high rewards are exposed, the hints come mostly from their own ranks !!

My account at around €16.000,- with initial investment of €9.000,- in august 2018 is gone. Friend invested approximately €80.000,- and lost all.

However all trades seemed fine as I have kept a trading journal and all seemed legit. No weird trades, timing etc. Communication was quick as well. Withdrawals also came. In the worst trades which they made they lost just a percentage of actual balance. And they must have used good system and maybe a leverage to make 15%+ in a month. But those numbers are possible if you know what you are doing. However you don't usually trade all your account at once. You should always keep half or more safe. Therefore It seems it was prepared. No stop loss? And crypto is goind sideways for two last days.

I saw some weird trades in the past, but it was mostly because each trade is given an ticket and in those open trade windows few months ago you could see only five opet trades at once. So sometimes you saw in closed trades some trades, which you did not notice before.

This company is not regulated. I don't think they were insured and it was written all over the websites, that you could loose everything.
If this was a fraud we could take lagal steps as we have some bank informaitons. Bank account has always be written on somebody. And when you invest, you have to be able to declare your trades. You can't just take the money and be gone. Maybe in crypto space, but not when there are some bank involved.

Someone is saying that they did not lost everything and have around €1000+ left. When, and if, they will start replying their emails, we will see, if someone can withdraw at least something back.

Have you heard about Iiinvestments? They shut down their websites after a year of operation. Used similar email statements saying they trading system went wrong. And that they witnessed significant "drawdown" of funds/pips...

Update:
Yes, as Mr. Miah wrote, we can wait till monday on some updates. Someone is also replying phone in UK saying that they are working on in, but without any new info.

I agree with Mr. Jakobsen to start an group if there are no news and exchange emails so there is more of us.

What caused this loss anyway? Tradingview stats:
AUDUSD long - and market went up by 1% last two days.
BTC long - and market went up by 2% last two days.
DASH long - and market went up by 3,75% last two days.

Update 2:
Thank you Mr. Rahman for the provided info. Now we know the trades showed right to the closed trades without even being opened in the first place.

Update 3:
Thank you to all who created the Whatsapp groups. Talking via this portal is difficult. There are now 2 whatsapp groups. You can join it via the provided link. I joined both, but it would be great to move to a single one.

Lets use this one so we are together:
https:// chat.whatsapp.com/ GfNbtGVhE6rEZYrjN928pc

Update 4:
Email to their clients came with the situation explanation. BT is working with Onyx Capital right now to find the cause of this problem. It is nice to see there is an activity from BT.

Update 5:
Today on 25.2.2019 all invested money from 180+ people who gathered in Whatsapp group were stolen. Reported by BT as a glitch in system. This scam must have been in preparation for long time. We are talking about millions of euros stolen! All accounts are wiped out.

The substantial Draw Down from accounts overnight, on the shadow trades of DASH long, showing loss from almost all accounts is a completely fake trade. The DASH was moving up where as the trade transaction shows loss and massive draw downs from accounts. The Blue Trading shows a message that, there was an incident and are verifying that. But this has broken the trust of many of it's clients and with the passage of each minute this is worrying, giving stress and shaking the trust of it's each each client.

Same story with Bluetrading. I think we all got ripped and lost our money. All the calls, contacts, mails i had with them before meant nothing. Trust my gut next time.

Hoping to give the benefit of the doubt here as they are saying this is a system issue. I just called and was put through to a call centre who only recently have just been appointed by BT. They're only taking messages to pass on. I was told they'll come back within the next two hours... 10am GMT. Will update if I hear anything....

No update. Bizarrely my account has been wiped and is in negative (29k Euros) but my friend has only lost 10%... Sign of hope?

This is the latest response I've got from them:
"
We are still waiting for a full report from Onyx Capital, we will have an update by Monday.

Our team was been made aware of a substantial drawdown reported from our trading systems early Friday. We are currently investigating the source of this reporting with our exchange to determine its accuracy and audit all accounts.

Please do NOT process any new deposits while this situation is developing. We do not have any updates yet.

We thank you for your patience.

-Blue Trading Staff
"
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Has anyone been able to connect to BlueTrading's MyFxBook to see if the trades that brought down the account show up there?
They have hidden that information now from the website.

I am trying to contact onyxcapital.com , which someone was claiming they said is their broker. We need to find if the losing trades really happened there.

One thing is absolutely sure, the blue trading claim that all customers have segregated accounts is absolutely false.
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Account Balance: €-13116.43

Profit / Loss: €-80115.63

Brian Hart and Hannah Smith seems to be gone.

contact-us link on the website is no longer available

We are getting emails from

Ulitsa Ayvazovskogo
Kazan Respublika
Tatarstan Volga District 420012
RUSSIAN FEDERATION

which is not a blue trading office.

I don't think there is really an investigation going here, just people need some time to get our money into a safer place...

I am afraid I've lost 81000 EUR.

How is it possible a big withdrawal to withdraw all of our funds unless the parent account is withdrawn, which is in total control of Blue trading?

Why a big withdrawal is triggering huge lot trades on our accounts?

I wonder if there is anyone we can complain to. I am afraid since the company is not regulated we are out of luck.

Scammed!!!!!!!

Completely and utterly scammed. My money is gone and so is Blue Trading. I actually can not believe it.

I opened my account at the beginning of July 2018 with €20k. By the first week of September the account total after performance fees was €26k so I withdrew the 6k and left the original stake to run. At the start of November the account balance net of performance fees stood at €27,500 so I withdrew the 7,500 and left the original stake to run. Most recently, the balance at the beginning of Feb 2019 net of performance fees was €27,000 so I withdrew the 7,000 and the balance remains in my account. If you add up the withdrawals above you will see that Blue Trading have paid me 102.5% of my initial investment IN JUST SEVEN MONTHS!!! I have used both methods of withdrawing funds - via a Coinbase Bitcoin account and a direct bank transfer into a UK high street bank account. Withdrawal requests are dealt with immediately and the Bitcoin route is pretty much instant whereas the bank account route can take a couple of days. When I set my account up, there were very few reviews out there so it was very difficult to decide if Blue Trading was a scam or not. I did not want to write a review myself until I had physically withdrawn every penny of my initial stake and a little profit to boot. As of 6th Feb I have my original €20k back plus €500 profit and a €20k FREE RIDE still sitting in my account racking up an average of around 12/15% per month additional income - that's a small pension right there! I intent to open a second account very soon and can not recommend Blue Trading highly enough!
Update 25/2/19
Just got the below from them, guess it was a scam after all - at least I managed to get my stake out before it went tits up!!! :-(

Blue Trading has suspended trading.

We are very disappointed to announce today that Blue Trading is terminating all trading operations for now.

Any deposits received from 24 February 2019 forward will be rejected/refunded and remaining balances must be withdrawn by 15 March 2019. Please do not deposit funds to Onyx Capital!

On 21 February, our administrative team discovered an enormous trading loss on some trading accounts. This was due to major trading software malfunction. We have spent the last days auditing accounts with Onyx Capital and they are unable to “reverse” any of these transactions caused by the lot allocation error. The client viewer platform software we rent (MIRROR WebTrader) has also been updated now to reflect final balances. It would obviously be impossible to recover funds trading from while still paying our 3rd party traders and maintaining our monthly financial obligations to keep operating.

However, we WILL be transitioning to a NEW Exchange under a different brand where clients can deposit and have trading in the next months. You MUST withdraw funds now however as they cannot be transferred. Please log-in to your account to check updated status as the values are now showing updated balances.

Onyx Capital has advised us that any remaining client balances are available for withdrawal until 15 March 2019. After that date, Blue Trading’s segregated trading accounts will be closed indefinitely.
We sincerely apologize for this very disappointing event and wish we could continue operating but it is not possible at this time. To follow our traders available on other platforms, please visit the individual trading system link to participate in these programs available independently from Blue Trading as well.

I have a VIP account with Bluetrading since July 2018.The deposit process via wire took a bit less than 48 hours. In December, after nearly doubling my account, I requested a 5 figures withdrawal that was converted in Bitcoin and reached my wallet in a bit more than one hour.Their customer services is excellent even if they are closed during the weekend.Their performance table is very accurate. Bluetrading managed to perform well even in very difficult market conditions at the end of 2018.Go for it,you will not regret it.

I have had an account open two years and made far back more than my original principal investment. I met their team at the Shanghai Expo and they answer emails very quickly.
Returns are about 7-15% on average per month and DD is low considering it's a Forex/Crypto fund where risk is always higher than average. This is one of the few services like this that's actually what it is advertised to be. Would recommend it to anyone seeking to diversify with something like this that can do the big returns we all want.

BLUE TRADING-REAL, FRAUD, SCAM?
I was a registered client of Bluetrading. This entity has a habit of claiming that adverse comments are made by non-clients. Until this entity can demonstrate what the corporate entities are, who the directors are, what the physical corporate address is, where they are registered and by whom they are licensed to operate, stay clear! Numerous regulators have issues WARNINGS, not cautions.
COMPANY OR WEBSITE- This is not a registered company. It has no physical address. It does not have directors. It is a website full of smoke and mirrors like the magician likes to work under. It has lots of telephone numbers probably redirecting to one location somewhere, but where is the question.
REGISTERED BY ANY REGULATORS? – No it is not registered by any financial regulators anywhere. The website claims that it is a member of the FCA, the Financial Conduct Authority. This is a false claim. Almost all firms and individuals offering, promoting or selling financial services or products in the UK have to be authorised by the FCA and the Bank of England Prudential Regulation Authority, which has issued a warning not to deal with this entity. The website also claims that it is a member of the Global Foreign Exchange Committee. This is also a false claim. The Canadian Financial Regulator British Columbia Securities Commission has also issued a warning against dealing with Blue Trading.

BLUETRADING IS A SCAM- Google scamwatch
DEPOSITS TO BLUE TRADING- They use shadow companies with no registered ties with BlueTrading.
REFUNDS FROM BLUE TRADING- If you are lucky, or manage to convince Blue Trading that it is in their best interest to honour withdrawal requests, you may get your money back. That will be via a debit card system run by Moorwand Ltd in London under a Mastercard licence called Upaycard. This has no identification at all in respect of the origin of the funds. Just a card number: 385798-893118-001.
REMEDIES IF YOU ARE DEFRAUDED- Basically there are none, because the organisation is not physically anywhere. They just drift in and out, create impressions which bear no cursory due diligence. I got my funds back because I convinced them it was in their best interest to do so.
BLUE TRADING AUDIT- An audit letter of trading results by a CPA in South Africa is a joke. It is not an audit by any recognised standards by chartered accountant professional bodies. It is like most things with Blue Trading probably made up, smoke and mirrors.

BLUE TRADING CREATES ITS OWN INDEPENDENT REVIEWS:
If you Google Blue Trading, the first few pages of the search will show at least a dozen sites that in fact have been created by or are blatant paid for advertisements by Blue Trading and their associates to create an impression that they are legitimate and not a scam!

I have had an account here over two years. I have MORE than made back my original deposit by a LOT. Their customer service is fast, they are aggressive traders, and I have met them at the Blockchain Expo in Singapore as well.

They are legitimate as you can get for a Crypto Fund. I am happy I found them and the 15% of people attacking them here should be ashamed of themselves. NONE of them have lost money if you read their reviews. Not one.

There is no better Crypto fund out there. Period.

STAY AWAY!! DONT MAKE THE MISTAKE I DID. I am a sophisticated investor with a number of other investments. When I joined Blue Trading I did some due diligence, though my mistake was not following my process and doing enough - because I was referred to this company by friends who were saying they were very happy.. I opened a VIP account with them. While trying to do so, I needed more information for the "international liquidity fund's" bank where I was sending the funds. As they had not included it in the wire transfer instructions, I tried googling the company and could not find it on Google. So I asked Blue Trading and got a response from "Hannah" who was very rude and basically told me no one else has ever needed the information I was asking for and so I had everything I need.. (the piece of info I asked for was required by my bank and I could not submit the transfer without it lol). This should have been a sign for me but I regret that I did not see this as a red flag at the time. I finally got the funds transferred by just putting something generic in the required field and my account was open. For the first 2 weeks things looked like they were going well, the account was profiting from trades and was up a few percent. Then a friend I referred told me of some red flags he found and so I dug deeper and found some of the negativity online. I tend to take reviews with a grain of salt because even the best companies have negative reviews by competitors or whiny people. But I decided to ask Blue about what I had found. When I queried about the expulsion from the FCA their response was: "Greetings, Thank you for writing! We would be glad to share with you the details surrounding the controversy with the Financial Commission. Our membership was terminated suddenly for no apparent reason in September 2018. This is not unusual at all for the Financial Commission. As you can see on their own website, they have as many ceased members (27) as active members(27): https://financialcommission (dot) org/members/participating-members-of-the-financial-commission/ In over three years, we have never denied a withdrawal request or had major issues with any clients. This was very sudden and we are still extremely puzzled to why they would behave so bizarrely so suddenly. In reality however, we are actively lobbying global regulators to begin regulating Cryptocurrencies through the Crypto Valley Association in Switzerland. There is no substitute for real regulation and services like the Financial Commission only provide basic services. As for the FCA - they are a British regulatory agency. We are an Asian Cryptocurrency trading firm with no operations in the UK whatsoever. Furthermore, the UK does not even regulate Crypto trading activity. Therefore, it would be impossible for two reasons for us to be regulated by the FCA. The "Caution" listing as they call it is simply because we are not a British company and they have placed us on a list with 1000s of companies. It is extremely important to note we have zero complaints and the list is a simple bullying tactic used by regulators to discourage people from trading outside of their country or in any Cryptocurrency product. We are currently in contact with the FCA through our legal team however to remove this listing. I hope that clarifies the matter candidly for you - please let me know if we can assist you further. Best regards, Hannah Smith". Seems kind of fair enough... Til I thought that makes no sense, they wouldn't just kick you out for no reason without telling you. Especially when on the regulators website it says "expelled for repeated offences". So then I decided to ask about some other claims that Blue is just another version of Iiinvestments and that their accountant who apparently audited their results is in South Africa (?) And no one can find evidence of the accounting firm the address is just in the middle of the desert and the phone rings out and I again mentioned that I had trouble finding the company when making my bank transfer. Now let me be clear, I was very respectful in my email communication. I even said that I was very happy with them so far, that I wished to continue, that I understand every company gets negative reviews and that I was just doing my due diligence for myself and the people I referred... Well they didnt like that and here's the response I got from "Hannah": "Dear Mr. Farina, We honestly don't pay any attention to this web negativity that all companies receive. We have far too busy of a thriving business to give it any concern. If you aren't comfortable with our company we suggest trading elsewhere perhaps. Thank you. Best regards, Hannah Smith" Not really the service you'd expect for a VIP account holder who has just referred approximately 20 people to them in 2 weeks is it?.... Now the red flags started to stack up and it became clear that regardless of whether all the negativity online was true or not, something is not right with this company. So then I chose to withdraw my funds because of the stacking red flags. At first they seemed happy to process the request and got to it quickly. However that was on the 3rd November 2018 when I requested the withdrawal and at the time of writing this it is the 5th OF JANUARY 2019! and I still have not received my funds and I'm not the only one. The guys who referred me decided to pull some funds and some have still not received their money either and they asked before I did. I've emailed a number of times over the last week asking for evidence of the transfer being made and where it was sent, yet no evidence has been sent, just emails back from them saying: "Hi Justin, Yes you are correct your funds left our account on 6.11.2018 to your Suncorp bank account. Just wait for a few more days you should get them soon. Kind regards, Brian" Now isn't that interesting.. Your money is supposed to be deposited to an international liquidity fund (the one in Hong Kong I couldn't find on Google) and Blue is only supposed to have control of it to trade via a connection and yet you contact Blue to get it out and they say "the funds have left OUR account"... Then I tried calling last night 3 times to speak with someone and the call centre lady said Brian would call me back to discuss. After 3 calls and an email direct to Brian and it being 1am here, I had still not heard from him so I decided to go to sleep with my phone on loud. Well I woke up this morning, no call just another email from Brian saying: "Hi Justin, I have just checked with Finance now they confirmed your funds have already reached your account. IF you still did not get it today, please try to call your bank or wait until Monday to see if they are just floating in their exchange. Let me know if you have any other questions. Regards, Brian" How do they know funds have hit my account? And so I check again... Nope no funds there! And still no call from Brian despite my 3 calls, the lady I spoke with apparently leaving urgent notes for him to call and me emailing requesting a CALL. I am just glad out of those I referred only 1 had deposited and he got his money back through a BTC transfer - this seems to be the only way people can easily get their money back - funny that, it was the same thing the online negative reviews said when I read them... STAY AWAY FROM THESE GUYS

I have heard alot about bluetrading and most of the negative comments I see come from people who have not invested a dime so I thought to give it a try. Also their support team has been very active and responsive so I invested today and will provide updates on my experience as time passes and also review my rating. I really hope I made the right choice.